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Deconstruction levelling - legendary items

Postaj by Berta on uto svi 19, 2009 10:40 am

Guide za unistavanje legendary itema napravit od strane Alasha sa EU foruma


Ever since I first heard about the concept of levelling legendary items
for the sole purpose of deconstructing them and getting the IXP runes,
I was puzzled. The numbers just didn't add up, and despite the fact
that a vast amount of players use this concept daily, I was not
convinced. So clearly, further investigation was needed. This is what I
discovered.

Let us begin with the basics. You need 20.783 IXP to get an item to
level 11. With two items, each gets 60% of the raw IXP, with three
items it's 48% each, and so forth. Because each item only gets a
fraction, effectively you need to kill mobs worth more than the amount
needed to get a single item to 11. The pattern is as follows:

  • 1 item: 100% IXP -> 20783 IXP to level 11
  • 2 items: 60% IXP each -> 34563 IXP to level 11
  • 3 items: 48% IXP each -> 43204 IXP to level 11
  • 4 items: 40% IXP each -> 51845 IXP to level 11
  • 5 items: 36% IXP each -> 57606 IXP to level 11
  • 6 items: 36% IXP each -> 57606 IXP to level 11
Thanks to Erasmus354, we now know
that you get approximately 43% of the IXP back in runes when
deconstructing level 11 weapons. With this in mind, let's look at the
actual benefit/cost of levelling up any amount of disposable items for
your two equipped ones. This is the outcome:

  • 0 disposable: 60% of 34563 x 2 = 41576 IXP = 120%
  • 1 disposable: 48% of 43204 x 2 + 43% of 20783 x 1 = 50342 IXP = 117%
  • 2 disposable: 40% of 51845 x 2 + 43% of 20783 x 2 = 59208 IXP = 114%
  • 3 disposable: 36% of 57606 x 2 + 43% of 20783 x 3 = 68074 IXP = 118%
  • 4 disposable: 36% of 57606 x 2 + 43% of 20783 x 4 = 76940 IXP = 134%
As you can see, getting 4 disposable items deconstructed gives you
14% more IXP on your two main items, than you would have got if just
levelling those two items. Another interesting point to be made here is
that you actually get more out of just making one disposable item, than
if you make two. But it also shows that it doesn't pay off to make 1-3
disposable items. So far though, this has only been a complex way of
re-iterating what FissionChips said
on the 28th of December. But the story doesn't end with FissionChips
(though that'd be tasty!). Cause more often than not, you're not
levelling both your main items - you're levelling the one you recently
found that you need to get up in level as fast as possible. And that's
when we get quite a different picture.

  • 0 disposable: 100% of 20783 = 20783 = 100%
  • 1 disposable: 60% of 34563 + 43% of 20783 x 1 = 29604 IXP = 86%
  • 2 disposable: 48% of 43204 + 43% of 20783 x 2 = 34322 IXP = 79%
  • 3 disposable: 40% of 51845 + 43% of 20783 x 3 = 40423 IXP = 78%
  • 4 disposable: 36% of 57606 + 43% of 20783 x 4 = 47907 IXP = 83%
  • 5 disposable: 36% of 57606 + 43% of 20783 x 5 = 56773 IXP = 99%
Very surprisingly we find that in all scenario's, getting
additional items to 11 for deconstruction is actually worse than just
levelling the weapon we wished to boost in the first case! The only
place you're remotely close is with 5 disposable items, but unless you
want to burn your other main item that's hardly an option - and at any
rate, you still lose from it. So while FissionChips told a true story
back in the late days of 2008, he didn't tell the full story, and as
such you might have had a different picture of the deconstruction
concept than the actual one.

So to wrap this up, two important points can be made on deconstruction levelling:

1. When levelling up two items, the most effective way to do so is by getting 4 disposable items to 11 simultaneously - only then does it pay off. The next best thing is to not make any disposable items at all.

2. When levelling up a single item, the
most effective way to do so is by doing nothing else! Getting any
amount of disposable items to 11 simultaneously for the sake of
deconstruction levelling never pays off, and only slows you down.


I have since the creation of this post realized the impact of deconstructing for relics (kinda had to because of that [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]).
Getting items to level 2 for the purpose of relics is very effective, and should be considered by any and every player a viable alternative to the level 11 deconstruction. Go to level 2 if you're low on relics or have a large stack of items you need to get rid of; go to level 11 for the runes.
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Re: Deconstruction levelling - legendary items

Postaj by Berta on uto svi 19, 2009 8:42 pm

ljudi ovo se i vise nego isplati
Dizite iteme na lvl 2 i poslje toga ih unistite sa jedno 15 tableta mozete imat tier 6 Smile --- provjereno Very Happy
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Re: Deconstruction levelling - legendary items

Postaj by Talumaril on uto svi 19, 2009 10:13 pm

Ja sam čitao na službenom forumu da je kad levelaš DVA itema, a ja to stalno radim, najbolje ili ništa drugo ne levelat, ili ostala četiri slota stalno punit i deconstructat na 11. levelu. Ja to radim, i luk i mač su mi na 35. levelu, ali runa imam toliko da bih mogao vjerojatno dva nova oružja dići na 40. lvl.

Naravno, nemam pojma koja je matematika iza toga, niti bih vam mogao to elaborirati, ali znam da je to izračunao Alash, ludi Danac koji je poznat po topicima gdje se nešto računa i izračunava i vjerojatno je nuklearni fizičar u slobodno vrijeme, tako da mu neopozivo vjerujem.

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Re: Deconstruction levelling - legendary items

Postaj by Berta on uto svi 19, 2009 10:15 pm

na 11 lvlu se isplati za xp rune ali za relice se vise isplati na drugom lvl-u
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Re: Deconstruction levelling - legendary items

Postaj by Durmitor on sri svi 20, 2009 10:28 am

da, primjetio sam. ja sam sa durmom razbijao na 11, pa imam dosta xp runa, ali su relici isli sporo... gyala pak razbija na 2 i vrlo brzo sam dosao do tier 6 runa...

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Re: Deconstruction levelling - legendary items

Postaj by Patuljak on sri svi 20, 2009 11:11 am

meni je morgo davnih dana reko lvl 2 i niš drugo
imam milju relica Surprised

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Re: Deconstruction levelling - legendary items

Postaj by zokran on sri svi 20, 2009 11:37 am

da ja to elaboriram sada Very Happy, znači najbolje razbijati na 2. lvlu oruzja ako zelis puno relica ? a ako zelis xp rune, onda razbijas na lvl 11 ???
jesam ja to dobro skuzio Razz
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Re: Deconstruction levelling - legendary items

Postaj by Berta on sri svi 20, 2009 11:40 am

upravo tako


... sjedi 5 Razz
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Re: Deconstruction levelling - legendary items

Postaj by Talumaril on sri svi 20, 2009 7:43 pm

Yep, to je to.

Ja imam svega nekoliko Tier 6 runa i jednu Tier 7, ali više mi ni ne treba...
A XP runa imam punu jednu škrinju u vaultu, i to oko 30 od 10.000, 20 od 15.000, desetak od 22.500, par od 40.000 i nekoliko od 190.000, ali ove zadnje sam zaradio u crafting instancama.

Uglavnom, spreman sam za jedan lijepi 1st Age luk sa dobrim legacyjima.
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Re: Deconstruction levelling - legendary items

Postaj by brajki on čet svi 21, 2009 10:34 am

LJudi neznam kako vi, ali ja sam skužio da mi češće padnu kritikali na deconstruct ako dignem oružja na lvl3.

Recimo nikad nisam dobio tier 4 runu deconstructanjem lvl 2 oružja (a deconstructao sam ih tonu), ali sam više puta do sada dobio tier 4 rune deconstructanjem lvl 3 oružja.

ja sam izračunao da treba 14 komada 190 kxp + jedna 140k xp runa za first age do ibera. :-)
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Re: Deconstruction levelling - legendary items

Postaj by brajki on čet svi 21, 2009 10:43 am

Ja sam trenutno u situaciji da sva 4 luka koja dižem su mi podjednako dobra,
Jedan je lvl 34, drugi lvl30 treći lvl 27 i četvrti lvl 26.

Zašto to radim, pa iz razloga jer će 3 luka biti bolja od mog trenutnog luka, ali koji od ta 3 će mi najbolje odgovarati će odrediti reforge.
i tek kad sva 3 luka dignem do ibera i napravim reforge ću odabrati jedan od njih za svoj primarni luk.
Planove mi može poremetiti jedino neki dobar 2nd age ili 1st age. :-)
4. luk mi ima odlične legacye za FS. pa njega dižem sa time na umu.
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Re: Deconstruction levelling - legendary items

Postaj by Needles on čet svi 21, 2009 11:02 am

Jel bi mogao tko malo pojasniti to levelanje legendary itema za nas nove, ili mozda neki link? Evo sto me zanima:
-cujem da ljudi pricaju u tieru legacyja na itemu, dali je to onaj broj pokraj ili mozda izled one rune pokraj svakog legacyja? Svi itemi koje vidim na AH imaju mali broj 1 ali cini mi se da su rune drugacije?
-koliko sam primjetio vecina itema starta sa 3 bonusa (legacyja jel?), koliko je may broj na itemu i kada dobijes opciju za odabrati jos?
-sta tocno radi reforge i kada se on moze napraviti?
-koliko sam shvatio lvl reqirement itema određuje koliko ga mozes levelati, koliko je razlika između lvl 59 i lvl 60 itema?
-gdje mogu identificirati legendary iteme i dali se to placa?

mislim da je to sve sto me zanima (zasad Smile). Uglavnom kupio sam par lvl 59/60 third age neindetificiranih song book/oruzje za mintrela na AH za par silvera i sad mi stoje u banci jer neznam sto cu s njima a cijena mi se cinila ok pa sam kupio (lvl 60 song book za 5s Laughing )
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Re: Deconstruction levelling - legendary items

Postaj by Berta on čet svi 21, 2009 11:17 am

Legacy ti je oznaka koja se nalazi lijevo od tog broja
pa imas:
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- sto je veci tier određenog legacya, vise ces moci podic taj legacy
- neki itemi startaju sa tier 1 a neki sa tier 6 ovisi o sreci

- najmanje je dva legacya sto mozes imati u startu, navise legacya sto mozes imati je 9 a dobivas ih kada ti item dodje na lvl 10,30,50, a na lvl-ima 20,40 radis upgrade određenog legacy-a na veci tier

- reforge se radi svakih 10lvl-a i dobijes ovo gore navedeno

- lvl reqirement ti kod oruzja odrejuje max dmg ne njegov max lvl, mala je razlika izmedju lvl 59 i 60, nesto veci dmg i naravno mozes vise podic tierove na legacyima

- identifikaciju radis kod forge-mastera, prvi ti se nalaze u mirobelu, a imas ih po cijeloj moriji i u pocetku lothloriena, placa se i to za 3rd age 10s, za 2nd 20s i za 1st 30s

- svako unistavanje se placa jos 1s


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ovo gore su itemi koje mijenjas za legendary iteme to ces dobivati od mobova 50+lvl, cuvaj si to i mijenjaj za legendary iteme koje tebi odgovaraju, također slobodno pitaj nekog iz kina sto se tice legacya koji su ti dobri i sl.
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Re: Deconstruction levelling - legendary items

Postaj by Needles on čet svi 21, 2009 11:28 am

Thx. Znaci nista od identifikacije dok mi Morija ne stigne Smile Nema veze,nije da smataju u banci...

Prosurfao sam malo minstrel EU/US forume tako da znam koji su dobri legacyji, zato sam ih i poceo lagano gledati na AH Smile

Ide me nesta levelanje, skoro sam 40 a veceras do spavanja cu biti bar 41, mozda i vise ako odemo u Fornost Smile
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Re: Deconstruction levelling - legendary items

Postaj by Berta on čet svi 21, 2009 11:29 am

hehe - samo ti nama lvl-iraj Very Happy hehe




da nista od legendarya dok nestigne morija, to je dio MOM ekspanzije
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